Going on Sigs reputation I bought a P320. There was nothing wrong with the Glock action, it was a training issue. It has been flawless so far. Manual safeties on pistols, hammer and striker fired systems were found necessary as far back as 1900. About $300. Either one could have been a gun or a Barbie. The settlement requires the gunmaker to reimburse owners of . ! while being accompanied by some form of obvious stupidity like putting an unholstered gun in a gym bag with other stuff. Seems a bit apologetic to me. It alleges that Walter Collette, Jr., a police officer with the Somerville (Mass.) never got into the P320 It is to me a Range gun not a carry gun. Being highly trained doesnt eliminate stupidity. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0LUbLu6TqA, Simply put, the P320 is not safe and the lawsuits arent frivolous. Wow new finger grooves, crazy innovation. Does the P365 have a similar reputation for spontaneous - SIG Talk Were not the only ones who have noticed the lawsuits. Good thing you werent serious, thatd be terr..uh.oops. I also have a manual safety. selling the 365 with strikers breaking? No Warp core, just a quantum singularity, The engine was basically a dorm fridge. Thats SIGs term for a recall. Sig Sauer P320 [Review+Video]: Worth It? - Pew Pew Tactical The SIG will be the shortest military contract for guns in history. This guy had been working at the LGS for over a decade and never had an AD or ND, he was the strictest when it came to safety. Such being the case, there very well may BE in inherent design flaw in the gun; We shouldnt just cast the thought aside as being beyond consideration and insist on blaming the problem on operator error.. Mine is very accurate. It provides another example of how the gun free zone purportedly keeps people safe by not only keeping guns away, but by requiring more discharges nearby. Sig, take this firearm off the market, and recall. MPD guns fired on their own twice in 6 months - WISN The Glocks trigger had caught on a fold in the leather holster and it pushed the trigger part way back. Charlton, headquartered in Victoria, B.C., for comment on its original story, but neither responded. So I will just continue to carry Mexican style with my striker fired polymer wonder nine from a company that may or may not be SIG. Holding the striker fully cocked with nothing to block it if the sear fails is questionable at best. Thats the same. Harrison stated that, I have not seen enough to convince me that the upgraded version is dangerous., When ABCs David Scott asked Harrison if its a mystery whats going wrong with the updated version though Harrison had just stated the upgraded pistol isnt dangerous Harrison said, I do not have an explanation for why the updated version should have complaints from trained individuals. Back in 2017, SIG instituted a voluntary upgrade program to replace the original production triggers with new enhanced triggers designed to fix the issue that we and others observed when the pistols were dropped onto hard surfaces. The claimed mode of failure was that the tab on the drop safety that interferes with the striker movement had been sheered off and stopped being a drop safety. Heres the version of the report that ran later that night, during ABCs Nightline program . Clients such as law enforcement officers whose negligent discharges could result in their being disciplined or fired unless it can be proven that the gun was at fault. Police officers do NOT get a lot of training unless theyre doing it on their own time at their own expense. Use a proper holster and follow other gun safety protocols. Sound familiar? That a pistol will be carried in a way it shouldnt (say, in a gym bag or a purse). Companies stay silent Quite frankly, a sizable number of the LEOs that go there, would benefit from a Gun Safety 101 class. What I can say is that article reads like a hit piece on the individuals who may or may not of made mistakes with their firearms from someone who worships at the alter of sig. All chasing that pot of gold at the end of litigation.. Not that big of a stretch when considering the lawyers beating the bushs for clients to add to the lawsuits, and the fact many of them will lose their jobs if its proven to NOT be the gun, but instead negligence on their part. A fine of up to $10,000. . Not only is it now the designated sidearm of all branches of the U.S. military, there are over a million of them in civilian hands. This reminds me of when Gretchen Carlson sued Fox News for sexual harassment and she got 20 million dollars. Sigs bid was low because they were still pissed after being beat by Beretta in cost. First, keep in mind that allegations made in lawsuits are not statements of fact. The same should hold true for the insane marketing of pistols like the totally unsafe Glock. I am also very much a DS9 fan, best series overall. P320 Voluntary Upgrade Program | SIG SAUER 2) The p320 does have a half cocked notch. The guide rod is cheap and breaks, it has rotten front sights! converted to the Glock denomination, but are now screaming that the P320 is Too new, not worked out! Dont quote the four rules of safety in your article when all the hotness in the gun world is appendix carry pointing something at an extremity and the photos you use showing front slide serrationsputting your hands fingers near the business end of the barrel, because press checks from the front is the way all the cool operator guys do it. None of the current lawsuits appear to be in any way related to the now-fixed drop safety issue and most, if not all of the allegations seem to involve upgraded pistols or those produced after the drop safety problem was identified by SIG. Picard if Im limited to NCC-1701. Frankly, I think that ship is the best looking sci-fi ship design ever, with the Excelsior a very close second. But breaking news here, skippy. At the risk of sounding superstitious lets review Sigs latest turd pistol. Second, your claim that the military is dumping because theyre problematic? Bagnell told TTAG that he believes the problem with the striker-fired P320 is an inadequate sear/striker connection (he has images he says illustrate this on his website). Yes, conspiracy to defraud is a thing when ones @ss is on the line. But I hope Sig fights it until the bitterest of ends. His annual qualification consisted of shooting 32 rounds. The military is much smarter and no, the gun is not junk. Carrying a handgun in a purse, particularly one that isnt designed specifically to carry a firearm, is problematic at best. This will include an alternate design that reduces the physical weight of the trigger, sear, and striker while additionally adding a mechanical disconnector. Its also beyond debate that current production Sig quality is drastically inferior to what it once was, particularly the German made pieces. (The defect couldnt be duplicated after the crash.). A shame but then no one was hurt. Period. Texas Penal Code - PENAL 42.12 | FindLaw The HK VP70 was made in 1970 when Gaston Glock was making curtain rods. Their visceral hatred for that which they see as competition to their little golden calf god and their blind, myopic, childish self-identification with an external dynamic is hilarious! Remember the highly trained FBI officer whose gun went off in a nightclub? As to prong 2, there is a considerable difference between the mechanism of a 320 and, say, ones basic Glock, in that a 320 is fully cocked, whereas a Glock is half-cocked until the trigger is fully depressed, with the striker remaining locked by the striker safety plunger until that is released by a cam on the trigger bar. No autographs, No self taken pictures. Sigs suck and my Glock is awesome!. Sig Sauer lawsuit: Man charged in wife's shooting death blames gun The thing I hate is getting kicked around! The military has found that the pistol has a tendency to eject live rounds among other issues. . If the P320 was so great then why did special forces go to the Glock 19? Note that Harrisons comment about these claims possibly being the result of legal momentum were edited out of the longer Nightline version of the report. There are tens of millions of gun owners, far more than there are cops, and the VAST majority of those folks buy their guns and drop them a nightstand drawer or up on a closet shelf and leave it until theyre needed. I just separate Shatner the man from Kirk the character, which he plays with Shakespearian operatic perfection. Dude, your story is THREE years old. U.S. lawsuits This subject has two prongs; One is the negligence of those who have shot themselves with 320s through violations of Rule 2, the other the possible mechanical design failing of the gun. in Capitalvania. The SIG P320 has been the subject of numerous lawsuits, including one class action case, in the U.S. over injuries sustained because of accidental discharges. Theyve also been adopted as duty guns by law enforcement agencies across the country. The company didnt want to comment on any specific pending litigation for obvious reasons. I think making guns easy to shoot has gone too far. D. Then when the gun still wouldnt operate right, field stripped it and cleared the debris, but didnt understand the gun enough to realize it was now super broken. The American manufacturer of the new pistols belonging to Canadas special forces claims the soldier wounded in an accidental discharge last fall was using the wrong holster for the weapon. Its not happening on your person without some catastrophic event. They are plaintiffs versions of what they say happened. So it never had a history of a potential valid claim for ambulance chasers to work off of. Stupid marine, cop, citizen, its their fault. The latest of these suits was filed last week in US District Court in Massachusetts. Still waiting. PSA-P320 Accidental Discharge Threads | SIG Talk ! only reveals ones immature emotional attachment to an inanimate object, which reveals a pretty childish worldview. Really, that JJA ship looks like something the folks at PlaySkool built, its terrible. Canadas highly-trained counterterrorism force, JTF-2, is the only military unit with the SIG P320 in its inventory right now. Get a dead trigger when the striker breaks. Fair enough. Thinking its okay to wrap a loaded gun in a towel and toss it into a gym bag is what we get when departments refuse to hire candidates who score too high on IQ tests. Sig P320 Accidental Discharge Problem | SIG Talk Not much detail is provided in any of those other claimed incidents, but a few stand out. For instance theres Lieutenant Thomas Ahern who was was performing a routine function (test) of his P320 when it fired at him without any force towards the trigger, resulting in the bullet impacting his left thigh.. When Villani was asked for his opinion of SIG Sauer, he said, I carry SIGs, I own SIGs, I just dont own a 320nor would I ever. When Scott asked Villani what he found when he took a P320 apart, he said, I thought Wow, they need to do their homework, they need to fix this gun.. The weapon was out of battery when it fired.. Glocks have gone off when people attempted to holster them and after they have holstered them, some times way later after holstering them like the fellow that got into his pickup truck. Nope. Mechanical engagement of sear to striker not deep enough (wanted lighter, smoother trigger pull without giving it any hand workmanship required with the deep notch much safer classic systems made since 1900) Result another big fail. Again, these are examples the plaintiff in this case is using to support his claim that the P320 is prone to un-commanded discharges.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jsu6WsSQ2_g. Instead we see a Sig that is ran by Mr. Cohen of Kimber fame have repeated quality and product development failures. As for the Serpa holster, this is a bunch of internet echo chamber BS that originated with Obama-era federal agencies putting a bad light on a good product in order to sway public opinion and thus damage the manufacturers bottom line. He points to it in the video. NO, SIG has a problem that they would rather fight in court. LOL! This is this same company that couldnt build their own freaking rifles after multiple attempts (Sig SG550 series) when that rifle had been made in Switzerland for years without issue. Personally they should have gone with the Glock, its not for me but is a proven gun. Depending on who you talk to you will get many different answers. The trigger bar has to push up on it, for it to release. Miraculously, no one was hit by the bullet, which ricocheted around inside the vehicle. There are a few examples, I admitS&Ws M&P from around 2014 were near junk and I wouldnt have bothered to own one as a trotline weight, but apparently S&W had righted that ship since then. When a consumer product is likely to be operated in such a way that it causes accidents because it is way too easy to make a serious mistake because of human error when operating it the manufactures are told that the machine must be made safer. That focus drifts. Another p320 "accidental discharge" - The Armory Life Forum 1:07. If you can make the trigger move backwards, all bets are off. Where is this lightning striking twice? About Those SIG P320 Lawsuits - The Truth About Guns Anyway there was one good thing to come from those movies, The USS Vengeance. He said there has to be something wrong with the gun if this is happening to individuals with this amount of training, this amount of skill.. how do I get one for my P320? Give me a break. Detective sues Sig Sauer after she says her holstered P320 handgun Yes, its reliable, but no more so than most other major brands well known models. This is what happens when you go with the lowest bidder. Both companies, instead, took to pro-gun industry forums to offer a rebuttal, giving no opportunity to answer questions. The current allegations, then, are different, claiming that the P320 is prone to un-commanded discharges.. He wanted TTAG to convey that hes pro-Second Amendment. He would have been booted after the first time, but being a cop comes with some special privileges. Its the expert who gets caught up in the routine and stops paying attention. (a) A person commits an offense if the person recklessly discharges a firearm inside the corporate limits of a municipality having a population of 100,000 or more. Hello perpetrators, Lee Paige is clearly the gift that keeps on giving though our buddy Hunter Biden is a close second! Where is that defect now? But this time, the sound bites used were different. MIM strikers made in India and put into Sigs. Yes, a lot of police officers only shoot when they have to for qual. You need to deliberately thumb the Pythons hammer back to get that trigger pull, each and every time. He is acting as a consultant in the Collette suit that was filed last week. Funny how that works. The Defiant regardless of who is the captain. Unlawful Discharge of a Firearm: Texas Laws - The Law Office of Greg In 2020, the agent, who is a former marine, was doing his routine training with the P320. Ive seen similar situations at our Municipal range. Theres still the P938 extractors snapping they refuse to acknowledge. Guess it hasnt dawned on them that: 1. And as far as Special Forces go, SF going to Glock has been documented as a bean counters solution to save money. The second accidental shooting happened after police supervisors internally raised questions about the safety of the SIG Sauer P320. She didnt sue, but swore she would never own another Volvo again. It was expensive. At least the Gorilla is still evolving while the Far Right proved to be an evolutionary dead end, one of natures mistakes. Theyre the only product that is not. CBC News reached out to Sig Sauer and its Canadian distributor, M.D. Not only is it now the designated sidearm of all branches of the U.S. military, there are over a million of them in civilian hands. To make the striker leg pull off of the sear, you would have to impart a lot of rearward momentum and stop it suddenly. In the former case, you would need upward movement coming to a sudden stop to bump up the drop safety at the same time you imparted rearward momentum to the gun to try and move the striker. Sig can burn for all I care. Have you ever noticed that big trouble usually comes in groups of 3. If the latter were to occur, the drop safety would prevent discharge because it would not be pushed up by anything. 1.A rush to market, and as usual the blind greed of the gun companies who no longer test pistols before marketing them think it is cheaper (so the idiots think) to let the public test them. L. LRRifleman . While it seems that I have a preference for battle ships, The Romulans had Warbirds. congrats. A holstered base P320 allegedly had a mysterious accidental discharge without pulling the trigger. The new Kirk does suck. Using an example from the first prong, we legitimately fault the user who shot himself in the palm, rightfully asking why in the WORLD his palm was in front of the muzzle when he set the gun down. When he opened the drawer the hinges pulled the Charters trigger. This is just blind greed using some careless doofus to sell a lie and cash in because a civil jury, like the average American voter, can be manipulated easily though emotion, tears and stories of anguish, pain and suffering at the foot of some super-rich evil corporations cold-blooded behest. Maybe its a technical issue, maybe its a training issue. Happy with my old S&W revolvers, 3rd Gen S&W pistols,1911s and a slew of P226s. So the tally goes against the surrounding area, not against the gun free zone. He was told to shoot two rounds. And people have a way of looking for ways to deflect blame for those discharges, especially when they stand to lose their job as a result. They didnt have to, but did. It seems safe to assume that while SIG is coming up fast on the outside, GLOCK is still most likely the reigning champ in terms of the firearms most often carried by law enforcement and other government agencies. Trying to categorically say Brand X is better than Brand Y! A lot like carrying a cocked and locked 1911 but with the safety off. How many times does a pistol have to malfunction before you blame it? Kyle . The fact is that the plaintiffs will get paid regardless of who did what. Too much MIM in that crap SIG, the old ones were great. If the gangster greed monger criminal Capitalvanians in the gun industry had their products under the jurisdiction of the consumer safety administration all the newer striker fired guns would never have been allowed on the market unless they had manual safeties and a safe take down system. Like many of our readers, weve been watching the slow drip, drip, drip of lawsuits accumulate over the past couple of years against SIG Sauer. Here is a movie that he filmed 40 years ago and he was still raking it in. . Marine vet ICE agent sues Sig Sauer for $10M claiming pistol shot him It did not originally have this. They wouldnt have adopted it if was. Legal Penalties. Harrison responded, No, I dont think the upgraded version should be recalled, in fact I think the previous version should be recalled so that everyone has the upgraded version.. Result: Sig P320 goes off when dropped and shoots people. BAM. DND/CAF is not in a position at this stage in its investigation to offer insight into the potential causes because our investigation scope is broader than the technical aspect pertaining to the unintended discharge of the pistol.. Ill go so far as to say the first batch of Sig P320s did nothing wrong. It sure wasnt her fault though, because she was flooring the.
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